Being an x-witness is a pretty unique thing. If you've ever tried to explain it to friends or co-workers they really just don't get what its like. It's nice to hear other peoples experiences and opinions. It's also interesting to hear about all the crazy stuff that is going on with the WT. I still have some friends and a family member inside so if I ever talk to them I want to have amo to plant the right seed.
Coded Logic
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life after the wtbts
by Hortensia inyou can't move forward to a new, more interesting, possibly much happier life, if you're still looking behind at the former life.. there is so much obsession on here about what the wtbts is doing, and discussing all the forms of injustice and bullshit in the wtbts, or how to bring down the wtbts.
yes, their doctrines are crazy and they are a cult and cruel to boot.
move on.
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Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.
by Witness 007 inlindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..
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Coded Logic
The difference between a fundamentalist and a radical is a very fine line. Whether it be Jehovah in the Bible or Allah in the Quran - God is not a moderate. Fortunately for the Christians, there is the whole peace-loving-hippy from the first century. Unfortunately for the Muslims, their prophet is a seventh century warlord.
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When will the JW's start reversing?
by runForever ini think this sucker could start reversing membership within a few months..
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Well said Vidiot
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If God is perfect, why is there a universe?
by Coded Logic inlooking for any weaknesses in my arguments.
i put them together not to show that the conclusions are true but rather to prove that the first premise in each of them (used by religious people) is incoherent with the rest of their beliefs.
please feel free to point out what you think works or doesn't work and why.
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Looking for any weaknesses in my arguments. I put them together not to show that the conclusions are true but rather to prove that the first premise in each of them (used by religious people) is incoherent with the rest of their beliefs. Please feel free to point out what you think works or doesn't work and why. Thanks :)
Anti-Ontological Argument
Premise 1: God is a perfect being
Premise 2: A perfect being would be perfectly expressed
Premise 3: Creation is an act of expression
Conclusion: God would not create the universe because he would have already been perfectly expressed
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Anti-Interaction Argument
Premise 1: God is unchanging
Premise 2: The universe is always changing
Premise 3: Interaction is a form of change
Conclusion: God cannot interact with the universe without changing
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When will the JW's start reversing?
by runForever ini think this sucker could start reversing membership within a few months..
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I respectfully have to disagree (partially) with Sloppyjoe. It's not just the JWs who are losing steam in their numbers. Worldwide, religion is losing its grip both in the numbers of people who attend church and also in the watered down versions of peoples faith. Less people believe - and the ones that do believe are less dogmatic than ever.
With every generation since the 1930s, the number of believers only ever decreases within their generation. 90% were believers in their twenties - by the time their in their sixties only 80% will still be believers. In the US, the 'kids' born in the 80s those who identify as religious are only one in three. And all indications are every generation after them will be even less so.
The JWs level of growth has been dropping since the mid 80s. Right now, worldwide, its only growing at about 2.2%. Barely above the populatation growth rate. It's inevitable that eventually more people will start leaving or dying than are being recruited. It's not a matter of if but when. I think the WTBTS will be around for a long time. But their golden days of growth are long behind them.
They don't have a sustainable model and they know it. That's why their so desperate to try and rebrand themselves. Hopefully it will backfire.
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Global War on Religion Has Began - Archbishop Wabukala
by cofty inthe anglican archbishop of kenya, eliud wabukala has declared that the terrorist attacks in kenya by al shabaab is part of a global war on organised religion.... speaking to a men's association conference yesterday he blamed "militant promotion of atheism" and called on all religions to unite against the threat.. how long until the geniuses at brooklyn towers quotes him as an authority on world affairs, as opposed to the paranoid buffoon that he is?.
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Damn atheist! They keep making the religious people fight each other. All religions would live in perfect harmony if it weren't for atheist and their evil humanist values like tolerance and empathy. Who do they think they are?
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7 questions to make JWs think
by Coded Logic in) why do animals suffer and die?.
) if this is all about god's soverenty, why cause the flood?
how does it prove "man cannot direct their own step" if god immediately turns around and wipes men out for " eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage ?".
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1.) Why do animals suffer and die?
2.) If this is all about God's soverenty, why cause the flood? How does it prove "man cannot direct their own step" if God immediately turns around and wipes men out for " eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage ?"
3.) Why did God confuse the languages at the tower of babel? What was God afraid of?
4.) How much faith do you have that the Governing Body is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? If the Watchtower told everyone to kill their firstborn - would you do it?
5.) Is there any line you wouldn't cross to get into paradise. Or is it everything goes?
6.) How can we say, "People just want to do whatever they want" when all your own actions are reward based too?(paradise)
7.) Way more people are being born than baptized (hundreds of millions), if God didn't want any to be destroyed why didn't the end come decades ago?
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Taking the Bible "too" literally
by Coded Logic ini once heard it said that the only people who care about what the bible says are the village priest and the village atheist.
it seems to me most believers only care about "god's word" in very general terms and think it's all up to interpitation (religion a la carte ).. it the watchtower especially good at making agnostics and atheists because of their fundamentalism or is this true of many ex-religious groups?.
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Why do you have faith there is a creator?
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Taking the Bible "too" literally
by Coded Logic ini once heard it said that the only people who care about what the bible says are the village priest and the village atheist.
it seems to me most believers only care about "god's word" in very general terms and think it's all up to interpitation (religion a la carte ).. it the watchtower especially good at making agnostics and atheists because of their fundamentalism or is this true of many ex-religious groups?.
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I once heard it said that the only people who care about what the Bible says are the village Priest and the village Atheist. It seems to me most believers only care about "God's Word" in very general terms and think it's all up to interpitation (religion À la carte).
Is the Watchtower especially good at making Agnostics and Atheists because of their fundamentalism or is this true of many ex-religious groups?
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Be effective or people will die
by Odrade inmy husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.
in just a few days, this realization cropped up.
i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.
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Coded Logic
I always woried about people who had NO TRESSPASSING signs. We wrote letters and did phone witnessing but I always doubted we really reached those people. I remember wondering if people with those signs were all just not "honest hearted".